Do find alot missinformation advice♥ßƦęŋБΩ₦♥ postedAnd a lot of people using arguments against vegetarianism that are just really uneducated. I really hate people telling other people to get more protein, we only need 30 grams a day and a person on a SAD diet can easily get over 150 grams, yet all I here is "better watch your protein" to people asking about shifting their diet. You NEVER see Westerners with protein defiency, actually you only see it in 3rd world countries unless the person has anorexia or something. Or the whole "look at your teeth" thing when saying we are meant to eat meat, that's just uneducated. If people did a little research before making such claims they'd understand our teeth are nothing like a carnivores except in name. It just frustrates me like nothing.... So, my question is what do you think about this and how do I prevent this happening? additional---------------------- I agree but selling lies as facts and not offering them as opinions or experience is just wrong. additional---------------------- I'm just putting this out there but this is a lecture (it's almost an hour long so be prepared if you start) by a very well respected Doctor who really goes into depth on the dangers of eating meat dairy and eggs. He compares different parts of the world, gives examples of the inside damage it's just a great video. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=... additional---------------------- EXACTLY Healer! Like if you are against vegetarianism say so, say why offer your opinion and let it be that. That's one of the reasons I don't give thumbs downs, most of the time they are just opinions. I just have an issue with presenting them as facts. Sponsored Link-------------------------- Silver repliedYes, there's a saying about how, "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance then baffle them with BS" and that seems to be the meat industry's slogan and strategy. Remember when the beef producers tried to sue Oprah for saying she was no longer going to eat burgers because of Mad Cow. It wasn't about assuring us they used best practices but that she was slandering them (by exposing the truth). When it comes to animal products there's a lot of truth that has to be obscured or people wouldn't keep buying in. Plus if something gets repeated often enough it becomes "accepted fact" which is nearly as good since first it has to be disproved to counter it. The teeth thing cracks me up. Horses have "canine" teeth too. Are they omnivores then? From what I can tell people use knives and forks for eating meat not their teeth and not straight off the fresh kill. Also, that idea that those who once worked on a farm (usually decades ago) or drive by cows in a field and it's not as bad as what's on film (so the films must be staged... yeah right) are using their own selfish justification to ignore that these huge operations (supplying over 90% of the animals products of meats, dairy and eggs) are in enclosed buildings in rural areas -- making it easier to take advantage of everyone and thing involved -- and not in big cities, just off the freeway with glass walls (or even windows). Of course these CAFOs are out of sight... people would be outraged otherwise. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/sto... http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/... And protein... people want simple. We've gone through the "Bad Fat" phase and then the "Bad Carb" phase both of which we've discovered there are bad types of fats and carbs and then good ones that are important. Maybe we are about to go through the "Bad Protein" phase which would be a step forward since the previous two phases made protein worshipful. Again, there's good protein (plant based) and bad protein (plant protein which goes through animals before the plate). The unsimple fact is that it's amino acids we need not whole protein and if we ate enough of most foods to meet our caloric needs even if just the one type of food we'd still meet our amino acid needs even in those that are considered limited; but that doesn't sell meat & dairy which has become very big business for several corporations such as Smithfield, ADM, Bunge, Monsanto (providing the animal feed, chemicals and artificial hormones), ConAgra, Nestle, and so many more (it's the little guy suppliers/farmers who are really suffering but stuck). http://www.drmcdougall.com/misc/2007nl/a... http://michaelbluejay.com/veg/proteinexp... http://www.familyfarmdefenders.org/pmwik... http://www.grist.org/news/maindish/2006/... But understanding how messed up it all is and why is complicated and requires thought which most people aren't willing to invest in even when it's in their own best interest. Especially when there is pharma to step in for their share of the profit-grabs when the cheap meats take their individual effects in the swallowing the spider to take care of the fly system we've nurtured: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazi... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_Know_an_O... http://www.organicconsumers.org/irradlin... Unfortunately the way it's going now with the wealth extraction we've seen over and over again done to other countries (out of sight, out of mind) and most recently with the mortgage crisis and the economy is happening on an even bigger scale with the food industries which are largely driven by the meat we eat. This includes superweeds and superbugs (MRSA, mad cow, e coli, and more coming along with rendering antibiotics ineffective), loss of biodiversity (animals and plants along with pollinators now; in part due to monoculture), water use and abuse, nitrogen overuse and oceanic dead zones, chemical saturations (pcbs, dioxins, perchlorate, the various "cides" -- just blame soy which ironically they are growing but to feed animals not people), as well as collapsing soil, yields, and of course exploding obesity, diabetes, and many other diseases of "affluence" that are worldwide but now also in our backyard. This system of wealth production is going to explode all over us soon. http://www.celsias.com/article/the-rise-... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polychlorin... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dioxin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agent_Orang... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perchlorate http://www.organicconsumers.org/perchlor... http://www.organicconsumers.org/monlink.... http://www.palmbeachpost.com/localnews/c... There is a book that came out recently about how we lost touch with foods we consume called Kitchen Literacy. I just watched an informercial (which I don't normally do but trying to figure out people's motivations fascinates me) about making quick foods (easy, fast, no clean up... and by using fake egg and ham instead of bacon it's healthier... "heathier" is that word that means so little because it doesn't have to actually mean "healthy" but the magic is all in the illusion) and they use all these corporate grocery store "value-added" staples such as canned soup, packaged stuffings, biscuit rolls, deli meats, cake mix, etc., to make pocket (food to go) meals. The only veggies anywhere were incidental in the soup. http://web.me.com/avileisis/Kitchen_Lite... Veggies and most fruits don't have marketing or Wall Street and the Stock Exchange behind them inflating their values. They can't be packaged to be put on shelves to last for weeks, months, and years like meats, cheeses, cheap grains (after having the nutritional dynamo germs taken out so they don't go rancid as quickly). People don't know what to do with fresh fruits and veggies and they are scared of them (except if they come from Taco Bell, or on a burger and those are poor examples anyway of the yummy that can come out of garden -- no wonder people think they don't like produce). In fact Stevia (a naturally low calorie sweetener from a plant) was outlawed by the corporate-driven FDA when it was thought to be a threat to the newly approved aspartame (Nutrasweet) profits but now that Coca-Cola and Cargill have established patents on it the ban has mysteriously been lifted just this month. It's a miracle! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stevia#Poli... http://www.reuters.com/article/businessN... http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticN... ==== FDA approval process Some critics of Aspartame use have criticized its approval process specifically; they note that the head of the FDA, Jere E. Goyan, was removed from his post on the first day of Ronald Reagan's presidency (1981). Previously, Goyan refused to approve the legalization of aspartame, due to the studies documenting increase of cancers in rats. Reagan appointed Arthur Hayes, MD, (FDA Commissioner 1981-1983) Commissioner, who legalized aspartame a year later. Reagan supporter Donald Rumsfeld was president and later CEO of G. D. Searle & Company from 1977 to 1985.[77][78] In November 1983 Hayes was under fire for accepting corporate gifts. He quit and joined Searle's public-relations firm as senior medical advisor. Searle lawyer Robert B. Shapiro, renamed aspartame NutraSweet. Monsanto purchased Searle. Rumsfeld received a $12 million bonus. Shapiro later became Monsanto president. Several members of the FDA board left their jobs after stevia (aspartame's main competitor then) was banned in 1991. They were all hired at Nutrasweet in higher paying jobs, according to national records. Dr. Michael Friedman quit the FDA when Jane Henney was selected to become the permanent FDA commissioner (1999). Friedman elected to sign with G. D. Searle as a senior vice president at a purported $500,000 a year. He later accepted a position with Monsanto. ==== People also don't want to find out the truth because that requires acknowledging how duped and used they've been. There's a lot of unpleasant feelings, including anger, that come up when they do. Personally it's that which helps drive me and it's oodles better than continuing to be a stooge (as well as increasingly unhealthy). ~Celeste~ repliedDefinitely. Again and again people say that you need meat for protein which is absolutely untrue, and if one more person says it's okay for vegetarians to eat seafood then I will be forced to have another glass of wine ;-) Being vegetarian is very natural and very healthy. Cute 1 repliedYes, if babies only need 5% protein from mothers milk, and fruit has 8%, then we have nothing to fear about protein. You'll have to work very hard to get a deficiency. ghettogothgirl repliedi feel you brendan, a lot of people are on this v+v section to annoy and irritate people. i just ignore them and i always try to give my best answers and if i don't know about something , i do not answer. also find irritating when people copy and paste your other answers and give their 2cents about your answer. shows the maturity and insecurity of the person like the first one to answer this question when i read your answers, they are always excellent. and you impress me cuz you are so young. don't let them get to you.... Healer (not the dog kind) repliedVegetarianism can be healthy (ovo-lacto can live on icecream, that is not a healthy diet, I had a client like this, with a lapband). Just the fact that some people exclude some food groups does not make that diet healthy or good. It needs to be done properly, with the understanding of the needs of the body. Regarding missinformation, this whole site is riddled with that! I wish people who just have opinions or agenda to push stay out of it. These questions should be answered by people who actually know what they talking about wahoo10001 repliedMisinformation comes from both sides of the aisle. Anybody who relies solely on this forum for their information is in pretty bad shape. lo_mcg If just a few more would take your stance I would disappear. ßƦęŋБΩ₦... >>Anarchy is the door that leads to utopia.<< After a statement like that you have very little credibility in any thinking persons mind. lo_mcg repliedWhen I first saw the title of your question I assumed it meant misinformation given by veg*ns and I thought Great! because I was framing a question along those lines when I logged on just now.
Of course there is misinformation given by some meat-eaters on here - from 'You need meat!' to the explanations given by anti-vegans as to what 'true vegns' do and don't do, often in direct contradiction to the definition given by the man who invented the word. But far more potentially dangerous misinformation is given by some veg*ns; dangerous because some people, eapecially the young and impressionable people who make up perhaps the majority of V&V's users, might assume the misinformation to be fact and act accordingly. Examples? Just a few hours ago someone posted that most dairy foods are known to cause cancer. Nonsense. Of the 200+ diseases that come under the umbrella title of cancer, only for prostate cancer is a diet HIGH in dairy thought to be a POSSIBLE risk factor - not a cause, a risk factor, and not a risk factor that has been definitely established. A week or so ago some one claimed that a raw vegan diet protects against cancer and reverses diabetes. This was criminally irresponsible. Diabetes cannot be reversed and this advice could be fatal. And someone following a raw vegan diet who ignores signs of possible cancer because they believe their diet prevents it is risking their life, Because of course no diet prevents cancer - there is no food or diet proven to cause, prevent,protect against, treat, cure or in any way affect the course of cancer. People claiming that meat causes cancer or contributes to or causes diabetes are given several 'thumbs ups'; anyone challenging this misinformation is heavily 'thumbs-downed'. All this frustrates and angers me far more than the misinformation from anti-veg*ns. We can and do ignore that, but misinformation on the health benefits of veg*nism is accepted, believed and repeated as fact. I've been vegetarian most of my life and a vegan for thirteen years. I know as much as I do about cancer and diabetes because I've been diagnosed with both - cancer 8 years after becoming a vegan, diabetes almost exactly 13 years after becoming a vegan. I will get several thumbs downs, as I always do, for 'breaking ranks' by stating those facts |
